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Babywearing Redux – Sunmi Cha

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Sunmi Cha is a Canadian originally from Korea. I was privileged enough to be invited into her home and hear her story. She wore her siblings growing up, to read about it click here.

What is it like to start babywearing again?

I was actually surprised that there’s a school of people that invest themselves in all these wraps. I did not know much about it.

I have watched a Korean documentary called Secret of traditional parenting.1 It was talking about how good it is to wear their baby. So the baby can observe the environment, learn social interaction from you, from being on your back all the time and it gives you lots of mobility. And you know babywearing, we all know how many benefits it offers. So it talks all about it. And the documentary was talking about how popular the podaegi is in Europe right now. How a lot of moms are looking into podaegi. After watching the documentary, I thought it is the best carrier in the world that’s why other people are looking into it.

In Korea sometimes there is propaganda happening. They try. By telling you that this part of our culture is the best, we are smart people, what we have is blah-blah-blah.

I think the podaegi is genius. It’s very practical. You took a blanket and put a strap on it. It is practical because it offers torso support instead of relying on the strength of the shoulders.

This comes in different length. There is a shorter one, this is a medium length one. Because every woman is of different height. Because some women are pretty petite.

It’s the height of it, I didn’t know, oh what I am learning!

It hides your figure, mothers feel more comfortable they don’t have to worry about what they are wearing underneath. And traditionally, Asian women they don’t wear revealing clothes, they are very conservative. For that it really helps, you don’t have to worry about what’s showing, about what’s not showing.

But the thing is, it’s pretty thick, but I was using it in summer time, I was carrying him in the front and lights outthis doesn’t stick to your skin, and somehow it felt really breezy and cool.

So you found it insulated against the hot weather?

Yeah, so he loved it. He was falling asleep in it. I couldn’t use the other, the Boba wrap. It [the podaegi] was so easy, put it on and wrap tight, that’s it.

Now there are many different versions, you can attach the strap on an angle and wrap it around your shoulders.

The thing is that these are really cheap. I paid $35.

That’s really affordable. So you came to Ottawa, set up your practice and started your family. So he’s four months old?

Yes, he’s four and a half, he’s 20 weeks.

When I got pregnant, my sisterhip seat from gmarket website wanted to give me a gift, what could it be? So I told her to send me a baby carrier. I saw my sister carrying the baby all the time, she used the Ergo hip seat. My sister was using it and she found it very useful for a toddler especially because the hip seat part is so convenient. So I searched Amazon and they didn’t sel lthis specific one here and I read that they only released this in Korea.

I didn’t know Ergo made them, it must be only for Asia. They have products that are not available here.

Only for Korea. I thought, “Is it because it is less safe?” Is this why they don’t release in Canada?2

It’s perception. It’s a different market.

But the podaegi isn’t expensive, so why so few use it?

It’s the fashionable perspective. I was wondering why don’t they use better looking fabric?

When I was looking to buy podaegi. I searched hard to find something neutral, no bears or dots, or super colourful. Like bright blue, or bright pink I didn’t like it. I still couldn’t get rid of the monkey, but this is acceptable. I didn’t like the ones that are made of so infantile looking fabric, I chose this one because of that.


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I sometimes write on Korean online community. I asked there why people don’t use podaegi much. People said that it is partly because of the look and some said they found that structured carriers are easier to use. There were lots of new carriers were on the market that I wasn’t aware.

So people use more of their structured carrier. Ergo is very popular.

Ergo is everywhere. What about wraps?

That was another thing versus a wrap. Wraps are so beautiful, they use different colours. A lot of moms collect the wraps because of its beauty.

I got the woven wrap, the purple one. I was surprised at the price! It was over $200 for a long strand of fabric. I sew, so I tried to make it on my own and went to a fabric store. I tried to search for fabric that was similar to what I saw. I read online that I am supposed to look for jacquard woven and diamond woven. I asked the people at the store but they had no idea. Every fabric is woven was what they said!

Every fabric is woven. Except for knit. Exactly.

It wasn’t very helpful, but they had lots of items in the sales stash, rayon, 100% cotton. It was summertime and I had a Boba wrap, it was too hot. I was looking for something that was lighter fabric for the wrap and also that it breathes. I was looking at pillowrayon, though I realized that rayon is synthetic, even though it is made from natural pulp. Okay so no rayon.

I wanted to buy something with a one way stretch like Wrapsody hybrid. So I bought 5 meters of fabric with a one way stretch. I made half of it into a ring sling and then I tried to wrap him with the other half. This fabric was too slippery and wasn’t easy to pull, it was awkward to put it on. It wasn’t as soft as a woven wrap, it was bulky, so I made the rest of the fabric into a pillow cover.

Oh that looks beautiful!

I also got this carrier cover from my sister.

Oh whoa – look at that! It’s got ears on the hood! It’s so cute, I love it. It’s got little pockets for your hands.

This attracts good attention when I put this on him and go out. It’s a whole set with ergo hip seat. I use the cover all the time.


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Sunmi and I originally met October 15, 2016, and we spoke for about four hours. This article is a condensed and edited version of our interview. Her story, like many, was so interesting it became a three part series. The first is called Growing up Korean. The next article is called A journey to Canadian, where she shares how she moved to Canada and then stayed.

Sunmi Cha is a full trained and license naturopathic doctor in Ottawa. Visit her website here.

1. The first installment of the documentary of The Secret of Traditional Parenting can be found here. Here is the link to the second and third installment.↩
2. The Ergo hip seat is available for sale on Gmarket in Korea.↩

Growing up Korean – Sunmi Cha

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Sunmi Cha is a Canadian originally from Korea. I was privileged enough to be invited into her home and hear her story.

You said you are one of four siblings at home. Are you the eldest?

I am the eldest.

What is the age gap between you and your brothers and sisters?

Two years apart. The youngest and I are almost 6 years, me and the second one are almost 18 months apart.

You said you used to carry your younger brother?

Yes, I used to carry him everywhere, I remember playing with him. I would babysit my brother, and then if he was getting fussy, or if I need to walk around, I would just throw him on my back and use podaegi. He was a very big boy, he is now over 6 feet. He was a big, heavy baby and I was a child. Still I was able to walk around town, I would go see my mom and dad when we were working in our garden. I would hold him on my back. It was so natural too.

How long is it for children to be worn in the podaegi?

I asked my mom. Since when were you wearing me and my siblings in the podaegi?

“You need to be controlling your neck.”
“So what did you do when you weren’t able to put us on your back?”
“I carried you on my hip, I stuck your head in my armpit and like this, and then I was doing everything. I was cooking, there was no room to take a break.”

They start backcarrying when there is some head control at around three months, they would cradle the baby in one arm and stick the head in the armpit.

I still cannot picture that. Stick the head in the armpit, securely hold their hip right to your torso. She was cooking, she was cleaning, she was going everywhere! My mom is five feet, she’s tiny. I cannot even picture her carrying me.

But she still had one hand free. They didn’t have something for when the babies are young?

She tried to do things when the baby was sleeping. But if the baby needed to be carried, that was the only way she could do it for the first three months. I am glad I have all these options, but even having all these carriers, three months felt like forever.

How old were the babies carried in the podaegi?

There was no age limit. I would put a 5 or 6 year old on my back. One time, my niece and nephew came over, my niece was 5. I used to live by the Pretoria Bridge, we decided to go on the canal and walk to Parliament. It was a long walk for the little one, of course she got tired. We didn’t bring a stroller. We had a wagon, but the younger one, the three year old was sleeping in it, so she didn’t have room to get onto the wagon. So someone had to carry her. I had a long scarf that I was wearing. I put her on my back and I just tied it. I was able to carry her all the way back home. I wish I had a podaegi, it would be so much easier

I loved how you just grabbed the scarf.

When my sister sent the podaegi to me, I had this imagination in my head, even when he’s older, when we go somewhere, I will still be able to use this. It’s light, just a fabric. When you don’t have access to a stroller, when you are out and about, when you forgot, when the baby is tired, you can just have him sleep on your back. Any fabric will work.

How was it when you were growing up?

We all slept all together until we were teenagers.

We slept on the floor, all four kidswe had a bed in one room. My mom prepared a room for one of us, I guess it was more for me because I was the oldest one, they thought that I would want to sleep on my own. Once I became a certain age, at the time we had three rooms and my mom and dad slept with the youngest one and I slept with two other sisters we slept with my grandma in one room. So one room was empty with a bed. And the other two rooms, we all slept on the floor, we just used a thick blanket and that’s how we slept. I think I wanted to sleep on my own once I became 8 or 9. Because I would watch TV and I would see other kids having their own rooms. So my mom put a bed in the room and made it pleasant. Some days I would try to sleep in the room, then I would wake up, afraid, I don’t want to be in the room by myself, it was dark, I would just come over to my grandma’s room and just slip in with my sisters again. My experience is a little different because I started living by myself since I was really young. I was a good student and my mom wanted me to study at a better school. So they sent me to Seoul. We were living 40 minutes away from Seoul but at the time it was a long distance back then. So I was living by myself since I was 12 years old, that room then my sister took over. That room became her trial room. After that we built a bigger house with more rooms when we were all older, teenagers.

We had three rooms, one room was empty. No one was using it! We all just loved to be snuggled together, play at night time all together, and then we would just all fall asleep. We had no sleep routine really, my mother just tell us to go to sleep. You would go in the room and fall asleep when you needed to fall asleep. That’s how it was.

In Korea now, how long do the children stay in with the parents before they go on their own?

It really varies now. Young parents my age, they do more Western-style. They were getting the exact same advice that I was reading from English books. That’s what they are teaching there, I was so surprised to see that. When baby first comes, the first thing that you look for is how the baby sleeps. That’s what I was searching on YouTube, Google and all the Korean community websites, but that’s what Korean experts and Korean professors were teaching.

Now people started using a crib. About 90% of people sleep on a bed now, they don’t sleep on the floor anymore.

Is the influence from American TV shows, or is it from within Korea? To be modern, this is what you should do?

The whole thing is more modernized, like housing structures, and cultures. And I think TV shows influence that too. Things are changing. There are people there who value the traditional way of living, but actually you need money to be able to maintain a korean yotraditional way of living there.

You need more money to maintain a traditional way of living there?

Because traditional looking houses are more expensive, they are usually located in wealthy areas, and the traditional stuff would cost more because it is not mass-produced, it is made by hand. So if you want to buy that mat, it’s called a yo1, it’s 100% cotton, just filled with cotton, a thick blanket and you can sleep on. It can be expensive. A young couple starting out wouldn’t pursue this kind of lifestyle because it is more expensive.

There’s a huge barrier there because it is not mass produced.

That’s the thing. If it’s not mass produced the price factors in and that determines the popularity. If things are more expensive people would not get drawn to it.

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Sunmi and I originally met October 15, 2016, and we spoke for about four hours. This article is a condensed and edited version of our interview. Her story, like many, was so interesting it became a three part series, the next article is called Babywearing Redux where she talks about revisiting babywearing. Learn about how she came to Canada by also reading A journey to Canadian.

Sunmi Cha is a full trained and license naturopathic doctor in Ottawa. Visit her website here.

1. Yo’s listed for sale on the Gmarket, Korea’s largest shopping site. ↩